Posts by Giles Gray

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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Giles Gray

babygirl-" Someone lays out all their ideas on a topic about a doctrine, they claim to have 'authority' to know the background of said doctrine, and once their expertise/authority is QUESTIONED - they immediately get defensive, yet never provide any proof or specifics of their 'authority', and then finally sum the whole conversation by calling the questioner childish or stupid - and lastly demand to be 'left alone'."
The standard reaction of anyone who hasn't got the answers to what they are being challenged over or the intellectual capacity to cope with debate.... in fact no fun at all...
Most disappointing. If you are going to troll you could at least put a bit of sport into it...
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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Giles Gray

Andromeda-" And Also I shared 2 different sites and I clearly said do more research if you want."
No need to. The sites you referenced disprove the Noachian flood quite adequately.
Androneda-" Even if there was no evidence from man I would still believe God."
Zeus never claimed to believe in a Noachian flood...
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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Giles Gray

Andromeda-" Flood proofs"
Yes... just not 'bible flood' proofs:-
Quote from your first link:-
"The scientific version of Noah's flood actually starts long before that, back during the last great glaciation some 20,000 years ago."
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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Giles Gray

Andromeda-" If you have doubts do your own reasearch. I won't bend to the reasoning of godless people.
Interesting... so you'd rather stick to the lack of reasoning of god fearing people?
Andromeda-" I don't believe a lot of the stuff they do. Honestly I think at the end this is a personal walk. It won't really matterrible if one is a JW or not. At the end the judgement is coming from Jehovah. So I will do my best to learn and do what I can and what's within my abilities to do, to follow in Jesus's way.
Paul Simon-"All lies and jests
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"
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JW and the Sabbath
by Andromeda in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.
Giles Gray

Andromeda-" If you believe there is no God there that's your own conclusion which is far from mine. I don't intent on convincing anyone of there being a God. I am well aware of the powers of demons and the deception they've played on us for centuries."
How do you know that the bible and all Christian belief isn't just a big hoax by such demons, or even the god Zeus? Would explain why every religion is pretty nasty.
Andromeda-" Also I have no clue where you get the idea that there is no evidence of a worldwide flood. There is and obviously you are reasearching on biased sites."
It doesn't take much logic to disprove the Noachian flood myth. You don't need any web sites.
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JW as a secret society - a weak link in the Information Age.
by slimboyfat in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
in the late 1990s there was magazine article that asked the question, are jws a secret society?

obviously they said no, because they claim to be transparent to outsiders and new members.

but they really are not transparent at all.
Giles Gray

smiddy-" An educated person wouldn`t / couldn`t buy into the Doctrines and practices of the WT Society, . surely."
Ken Ham?
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Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs
by slimboyfat in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.
Giles Gray

I think using the internet was a big mistake. To have to go online to get your 'spiritual food' is so dangerous because of how much negative exposure there is out there.
The societies voice is only one among the crowds of people who are out to expose them for what they are. Easy pickings.
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Listen to Terri O'Sullivan XJW on Croydon Radio !
by Phizzy in
1. jw
2. experiences
terri o'sullivan was interviewed by croydon radio for a programme called "leap of faith", it was broadcast on sunday.. she does a great job of showing how wacky and weird the jw beliefs and practices are, the interviewer asks perceptive questions, either he was well briefed by terri or he is an ex jw !.

she also gives info.

on her meetup group for xjw's, great fun !.
Giles Gray

Did I go a tad too far? I think you might be right old boy, after all less is more.
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"Belief" and "Faith" are Simply Emotional Terms for Ideas and Opinions (long post)
by xjwsrock in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.

it helps to write it down and put it "out there".

i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.
Giles Gray

xjwsrock-" Any communication would need to be direct and to multiple eyewitnesses at the same time to eliminate the possibility of hallucination, schizophrenia, etc."
Even this wouldn't prove the supernatural being was who they claimed to be. If it claimed to be the god of the bible, how would anyone know it was not Zeus playing a trick? Without omniscience no one can know for sure what any supernatural being truely is. That's if it wasn't just the result of being in a computer simulation...
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clever
by jookbeard in
1. social
2. humour
like this!.
Giles Gray

So funny...